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		<title>By: "I'm Misunderstood" &#124; Hourglass 8 &#124; Social Media Adult Marketing Consultants &#124; Kelly Shibari</title>
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		<dc:creator>"I'm Misunderstood" &#124; Hourglass 8 &#124; Social Media Adult Marketing Consultants &#124; Kelly Shibari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Networking guy</title>
		<link>http://hourglass8.com/online-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-426</link>
		<dc:creator>Networking guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a bad habit to disagree, but this time, I agree with some of the information presented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a bad habit to disagree, but this time, I agree with some of the information presented.</p>
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		<title>By: BrnzeTyger</title>
		<link>http://hourglass8.com/online-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-418</link>
		<dc:creator>BrnzeTyger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this the day of the aforementioned incident.  I am reminded of a section in this book called &quot;Groundswell&quot; where the subject of branding was explored. Specifically, who determines what your brand means? You or the customer?  Although most companies or people would like to think that they define their brand, the truth is the consumer often decides what your brand really is.

Getting back to this person.  His actions to Kelly gave a clear picture to what kind of person she was really dealing with, despite his initial communication.  Plus, his reputation was reinforced by the refusal of another model to work with him.  He may think that the measure of a person can&#039;t be measured by who he cuts down but that&#039;s EXACTLY how he will be measured.  Plus in the online world the word (good or bad) spreads extremely quickly and it can be out of your control whether you like it or not.

Basically, he&#039;s branded as a dick.  So let it be written.  So let it be done.

*Drops the mic*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this the day of the aforementioned incident.  I am reminded of a section in this book called &#8220;Groundswell&#8221; where the subject of branding was explored. Specifically, who determines what your brand means? You or the customer?  Although most companies or people would like to think that they define their brand, the truth is the consumer often decides what your brand really is.</p>
<p>Getting back to this person.  His actions to Kelly gave a clear picture to what kind of person she was really dealing with, despite his initial communication.  Plus, his reputation was reinforced by the refusal of another model to work with him.  He may think that the measure of a person can&#8217;t be measured by who he cuts down but that&#8217;s EXACTLY how he will be measured.  Plus in the online world the word (good or bad) spreads extremely quickly and it can be out of your control whether you like it or not.</p>
<p>Basically, he&#8217;s branded as a dick.  So let it be written.  So let it be done.</p>
<p>*Drops the mic*</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Shibari</title>
		<link>http://hourglass8.com/online-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-415</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly Shibari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DeDe - Thank you SO much for sharing your story! There are a lot of producers who use this tactic, unfortunately. I even know of girls who have actually HAD sex with a producer, and still didn&#039;t get called back - the use of getting free sex as a way to get work is low, unprofessional, and shallow. And moreover, opening yourself up to untested talent is never a good idea anyway ;)

Sticking to your guns may not get you every shoot, but when you look back, at least you won&#039;t have any regrets. Kudos to you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DeDe &#8211; Thank you SO much for sharing your story! There are a lot of producers who use this tactic, unfortunately. I even know of girls who have actually HAD sex with a producer, and still didn&#8217;t get called back &#8211; the use of getting free sex as a way to get work is low, unprofessional, and shallow. And moreover, opening yourself up to untested talent is never a good idea anyway <img src='http://hourglass8.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sticking to your guns may not get you every shoot, but when you look back, at least you won&#8217;t have any regrets. Kudos to you!</p>
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		<title>By: DeDe DeRenne</title>
		<link>http://hourglass8.com/online-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-414</link>
		<dc:creator>DeDe DeRenne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly, thank you for sharing this information on your website. I am currently revising on changing my brand and image. I recently had a situation close to this. This guy offered a magazine shoot for a very prestigious company. He left me a message on my comment section on Myspace. I am a newbie in my modeling career; however I do my research for companies, websites and magazines. This guy was a hoax. To make a long story short, he wanted to have sex for the “magazine shoot.” I advised him “business is business”, he told me he will call me back and I have not heard from him since last Wednesday. I think it is sad to mislead women for sex or other activities. All women need to do their research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly, thank you for sharing this information on your website. I am currently revising on changing my brand and image. I recently had a situation close to this. This guy offered a magazine shoot for a very prestigious company. He left me a message on my comment section on Myspace. I am a newbie in my modeling career; however I do my research for companies, websites and magazines. This guy was a hoax. To make a long story short, he wanted to have sex for the “magazine shoot.” I advised him “business is business”, he told me he will call me back and I have not heard from him since last Wednesday. I think it is sad to mislead women for sex or other activities. All women need to do their research.</p>
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		<title>By: A Message From Kelly Shibari &#171; Whispered Perfection</title>
		<link>http://hourglass8.com/online-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-413</link>
		<dc:creator>A Message From Kelly Shibari &#171; Whispered Perfection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] RSS feed for updates on this topic.Yes­ter­day, the won­der­ful Kelly Shibari posted a very pow­er­ful and impor­tant mes­sage on her blog Brains Before Beauty. I thought the mes­sage of such impor­tance that I asked for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] RSS feed for updates on this topic.Yes­ter­day, the won­der­ful Kelly Shibari posted a very pow­er­ful and impor­tant mes­sage on her blog Brains Before Beauty. I thought the mes­sage of such impor­tance that I asked for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Shibari</title>
		<link>http://hourglass8.com/online-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly Shibari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@panhype - I had to edit your comment to remove the link to the offending party&#039;s website. The last thing I need is to promote someone whose business model nor personal discriminatory practices I do not agree with ;)

If you do a little more researching, you&#039;ll see that he also owns a site dedicated to fathers. It was actually that which led me to return his request for a phone call, since I assumed (my fault) that someone with a daughter wouldn&#039;t degrade women. It&#039;s doubly disappointing to see that a minority man with a daughter would teach hatred and discrimination. It&#039;s just entirely too hypocritical. I hope that his daughter doesn&#039;t grow up to be like him.

There are a myriad of adult sites on the internet, with varying genres, niches, and scenes. There are also a myriad of ladies, with varying kinks, sexual needs, and limits. I am sure that this producer will find enough ladies to make his site something he can present to the public. However, it appears that his goal in presenting a BBW site which involves degrading them for their size will not be accepted well within the BBW community and for FAs. 

It&#039;s his right to create any sort of site he wishes. It&#039;s also his right to create a site that probably will only cater to fragile-ego&#039;d men who can only get aroused if they see women being degraded and demeaned. However, to call me derogatory names when speaking to me is unacceptable - and so it is also my right to alert ladies about this poor excuse for a father and man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@panhype &#8211; I had to edit your comment to remove the link to the offending party&#8217;s website. The last thing I need is to promote someone whose business model nor personal discriminatory practices I do not agree with <img src='http://hourglass8.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If you do a little more researching, you&#8217;ll see that he also owns a site dedicated to fathers. It was actually that which led me to return his request for a phone call, since I assumed (my fault) that someone with a daughter wouldn&#8217;t degrade women. It&#8217;s doubly disappointing to see that a minority man with a daughter would teach hatred and discrimination. It&#8217;s just entirely too hypocritical. I hope that his daughter doesn&#8217;t grow up to be like him.</p>
<p>There are a myriad of adult sites on the internet, with varying genres, niches, and scenes. There are also a myriad of ladies, with varying kinks, sexual needs, and limits. I am sure that this producer will find enough ladies to make his site something he can present to the public. However, it appears that his goal in presenting a BBW site which involves degrading them for their size will not be accepted well within the BBW community and for FAs. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s his right to create any sort of site he wishes. It&#8217;s also his right to create a site that probably will only cater to fragile-ego&#8217;d men who can only get aroused if they see women being degraded and demeaned. However, to call me derogatory names when speaking to me is unacceptable &#8211; and so it is also my right to alert ladies about this poor excuse for a father and man.</p>
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		<title>By: panhype</title>
		<link>http://hourglass8.com/online-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-411</link>
		<dc:creator>panhype</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to repeat that:

EVERYTHING you do becomes your brand.

This is the most concise formula to nail down a quite multifold and very real effect. I might borrow that if you don&#039;t mind, Kelly. 

But to add just one thought: The internet registers anything you go public with. And it can have a very long memory. So when you&#039;re offering services that target an audience, it is very likely that people who consider to work with you will have a look into the value of your &#039;brand&#039; on the internet. Now when you&#039;re a model and you&#039;re getting hired less then before, the reason can be that you are damaged as a brand - because you have appeared in content that didn&#039;t show you in the best light. Even when the company knows that you can do better. What matters is what the average consumers are thinking or assuming of you. When they feel you have appeared as a turn-off, then you might have a problem. Cause they are the ones to spend money.

If i were in business relations with models, i would go further than Kelly. I would clearly advice them to stay away from such a company. The adult business has a long history with such threats being VERY REAL. Thus there is no argument later like &quot;Don&#039;t worry, this was just some random saying&quot;. Whatever the real intention was, the receiver MUST take such a threat very seriously. That&#039;s why i can&#039;t see any excuse .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to repeat that:</p>
<p>EVERYTHING you do becomes your brand.</p>
<p>This is the most concise formula to nail down a quite multifold and very real effect. I might borrow that if you don&#8217;t mind, Kelly. </p>
<p>But to add just one thought: The internet registers anything you go public with. And it can have a very long memory. So when you&#8217;re offering services that target an audience, it is very likely that people who consider to work with you will have a look into the value of your &#8216;brand&#8217; on the internet. Now when you&#8217;re a model and you&#8217;re getting hired less then before, the reason can be that you are damaged as a brand &#8211; because you have appeared in content that didn&#8217;t show you in the best light. Even when the company knows that you can do better. What matters is what the average consumers are thinking or assuming of you. When they feel you have appeared as a turn-off, then you might have a problem. Cause they are the ones to spend money.</p>
<p>If i were in business relations with models, i would go further than Kelly. I would clearly advice them to stay away from such a company. The adult business has a long history with such threats being VERY REAL. Thus there is no argument later like &#8220;Don&#8217;t worry, this was just some random saying&#8221;. Whatever the real intention was, the receiver MUST take such a threat very seriously. That&#8217;s why i can&#8217;t see any excuse .</p>
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		<title>By: Topaz LaDai</title>
		<link>http://hourglass8.com/online-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator>Topaz LaDai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is EXACTLY the type of networking that needs to take place.  I have always said there is a niche for EVERYONE... but if it&#039;s not the type of work you can be proud to say you did... WHY DO IT??? 

I think we all have had some issues with producers... which is why I&#039;m happy to be associated with the producers I am... and steer WELL CLEAR of those that I simply cannot work with.  Especially when they start name calling or the child like responses AFTER they have chased you down to work with you. 

As always love, you are RIGHT ON POINT!  &quot;Left Brain&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is EXACTLY the type of networking that needs to take place.  I have always said there is a niche for EVERYONE&#8230; but if it&#8217;s not the type of work you can be proud to say you did&#8230; WHY DO IT??? </p>
<p>I think we all have had some issues with producers&#8230; which is why I&#8217;m happy to be associated with the producers I am&#8230; and steer WELL CLEAR of those that I simply cannot work with.  Especially when they start name calling or the child like responses AFTER they have chased you down to work with you. </p>
<p>As always love, you are RIGHT ON POINT!  &#8220;Left Brain&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: igster101</title>
		<link>http://hourglass8.com/online-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-409</link>
		<dc:creator>igster101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, he says he is the producer, yet refers to himself in the 3rd person? going solely on what I see, he mislead you at least at first. But, he did open himself up to comments, negative or otherwise. FB and myspace are public forums. If you don&#039;t want people to comment and hurt you little feelings, keep chats private.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, he says he is the producer, yet refers to himself in the 3rd person? going solely on what I see, he mislead you at least at first. But, he did open himself up to comments, negative or otherwise. FB and myspace are public forums. If you don&#8217;t want people to comment and hurt you little feelings, keep chats private.</p>
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